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		<title>By: Big Sam</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-2/#comment-110002</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emusic used to be about &quot;independent artists and labels.&quot; Now it&#039;s just an overpriced, hassle-filled FYE cutout bin. Actually, if you shop half.com, you can get all of that stuff for much much cheaper (if you want to take the chance on getting a rootkit, which I don&#039;t). I quit back in January and I checked back in when a friend told me he was quitting (not knowing I quit long ago). What a mess. Who cares about all those major-label freaks anyway? Didn&#039;t you hear that stuff enough back in the day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emusic used to be about &#8220;independent artists and labels.&#8221; Now it&#8217;s just an overpriced, hassle-filled FYE cutout bin. Actually, if you shop half.com, you can get all of that stuff for much much cheaper (if you want to take the chance on getting a rootkit, which I don&#8217;t). I quit back in January and I checked back in when a friend told me he was quitting (not knowing I quit long ago). What a mess. Who cares about all those major-label freaks anyway? Didn&#8217;t you hear that stuff enough back in the day?</p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-2/#comment-108949</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrible - My plan has been reduced, and the PROMISED booster pack I was promised is not in evidence. 

Furthermore I am now banned from buying booster packs. AND cause I&#039;m in Australia I can&#039;t even download any of the Sony stuff.

So, in summary: I&#039;m paying considerably more for less, Emusic didn&#039;t give me what they promised they would, and now I can&#039;t download my old tracks, I can&#039;t purchase booster packs, AND things that used to be good value (short track albums) are now terrible albums.

If Emusic is determined to lose my custom, they&#039;ve done all the right things. I&#039;m cancelling my subscription. I don&#039;t know how you guys can stand to work for a company which such a complete disregard for its community. It&#039;s pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrible &#8211; My plan has been reduced, and the PROMISED booster pack I was promised is not in evidence. </p>
<p>Furthermore I am now banned from buying booster packs. AND cause I&#8217;m in Australia I can&#8217;t even download any of the Sony stuff.</p>
<p>So, in summary: I&#8217;m paying considerably more for less, Emusic didn&#8217;t give me what they promised they would, and now I can&#8217;t download my old tracks, I can&#8217;t purchase booster packs, AND things that used to be good value (short track albums) are now terrible albums.</p>
<p>If Emusic is determined to lose my custom, they&#8217;ve done all the right things. I&#8217;m cancelling my subscription. I don&#8217;t know how you guys can stand to work for a company which such a complete disregard for its community. It&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelboston</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-108395</link>
		<dc:creator>Michaelboston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sony stuff is a disappointment and the biggest change for me is the change to limited re-downloading which made Emusic special. I agree with Eric (above), the re-download limitation is the killer for me.  If something happened, I could always go back to Emusic.  I don&#039;t see much at emusic that is worth the money any more. I&#039;ve been a member since 2003 and always looked forward to downloading the best indie label stuff. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll keep it up with the new changes.  

You can find most of the Sony/BMG stuff anywhere (like bargain bins at CD stores for less money than it costs here to download Mp3s). 

I hope they fire the CEO for this dreadful change, Emusic shouldn&#039;t just be another iTunes, Rhapsody, or Amazon.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sony stuff is a disappointment and the biggest change for me is the change to limited re-downloading which made Emusic special. I agree with Eric (above), the re-download limitation is the killer for me.  If something happened, I could always go back to Emusic.  I don&#8217;t see much at emusic that is worth the money any more. I&#8217;ve been a member since 2003 and always looked forward to downloading the best indie label stuff. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll keep it up with the new changes.  </p>
<p>You can find most of the Sony/BMG stuff anywhere (like bargain bins at CD stores for less money than it costs here to download Mp3s). </p>
<p>I hope they fire the CEO for this dreadful change, Emusic shouldn&#8217;t just be another iTunes, Rhapsody, or Amazon.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-108088</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Christopher&#039;s assertions that this is not an official emusic blog:

If this was not the official blog of emusic, why did the CEO of the company decide to post his official notice of the sony deal here rather than simply email it, or redirect to a page on emusic&#039;s web interface? 

All of the lines you mention are simply legal ease to try to cover their butts should something not work out in the comment section, or should the editorial team say something that could bring some litigation against emusic.

It&#039;s standard copy-and-paste legal ease for most corporate blogs.  This is the official blog for emusic, make no mistake.

I&#039;m sorry, but the editorial team is certainly culpable in this debacle, if for nothing else, the six degrees features.  They&#039;ve dropped the ball on making six degrees worth something. Something for the indie labels to expose new music, or something the music fans who frequent these pages... something at all other than standard mojo &quot;top 100 albums&quot; fare. 

Once again, I will say that people like Nergal - who I disagree with about emusic and his need to insult other posters who have dissenting views - have had very interesting broad tastes in music. It was people like these who provided others with the most exposure to new and interesting music, not contrived &quot;product improvements&quot; like the really poor six degrees concept.  

Six degrees already existed in emusic.  You could be downloading a track by taylor swift, only to discover another user who likes classical country, then another who liked classical music and Highlife - that&#039;s how people&#039;s tastes really changed and expanded.  It was this open discourse and open minds, enabled by the tools and knowledgeable customers who already existed on emusic that made it special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Christopher&#8217;s assertions that this is not an official emusic blog:</p>
<p>If this was not the official blog of emusic, why did the CEO of the company decide to post his official notice of the sony deal here rather than simply email it, or redirect to a page on emusic&#8217;s web interface? </p>
<p>All of the lines you mention are simply legal ease to try to cover their butts should something not work out in the comment section, or should the editorial team say something that could bring some litigation against emusic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s standard copy-and-paste legal ease for most corporate blogs.  This is the official blog for emusic, make no mistake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but the editorial team is certainly culpable in this debacle, if for nothing else, the six degrees features.  They&#8217;ve dropped the ball on making six degrees worth something. Something for the indie labels to expose new music, or something the music fans who frequent these pages&#8230; something at all other than standard mojo &#8220;top 100 albums&#8221; fare. </p>
<p>Once again, I will say that people like Nergal &#8211; who I disagree with about emusic and his need to insult other posters who have dissenting views &#8211; have had very interesting broad tastes in music. It was people like these who provided others with the most exposure to new and interesting music, not contrived &#8220;product improvements&#8221; like the really poor six degrees concept.  </p>
<p>Six degrees already existed in emusic.  You could be downloading a track by taylor swift, only to discover another user who likes classical country, then another who liked classical music and Highlife &#8211; that&#8217;s how people&#8217;s tastes really changed and expanded.  It was this open discourse and open minds, enabled by the tools and knowledgeable customers who already existed on emusic that made it special.</p>
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		<title>By: porieux</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-108044</link>
		<dc:creator>porieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nergal, eMusic are the ones who have f&#039;ed it up, not the users. I know it sucks but don&#039;t blame the users, they had no say over this mess and have legitimate gripes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nergal, eMusic are the ones who have f&#8217;ed it up, not the users. I know it sucks but don&#8217;t blame the users, they had no say over this mess and have legitimate gripes.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-107662</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, because it&#039;&#039;s all about Nergal and everyone should just bugger off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, because it&#8217;&#8217;s all about Nergal and everyone should just bugger off.</p>
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		<title>By: Nergal</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-107625</link>
		<dc:creator>Nergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLM, You do make a good point, I agree that Stein should not have posted the &quot;news&quot; here and think that he should&#039;ve done this in front of the Entire eMusic site as opposed to the targeting the select few who use 17Dots, in order to sneak it by the site&#039;s majority; however if you look at my post count (Nergal MiDoJo) you&#039;ll easily figure out that, yes, I well am aware of that thread and I&#039;ve even made it clear that I feel if people ARE going to complain about all the stuff going on that they stick to that thread, or better yet use the eMusic Message boards.
I&#039;ve also said that I&#039;m not trying to stifle anyone else&#039;s voice but that I am just using mine to say that I&#039;d rather people not fuck up what&#039;s been a great community for me, where I&#039;ve found interesting people of many different thoughts on music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLM, You do make a good point, I agree that Stein should not have posted the &#8220;news&#8221; here and think that he should&#8217;ve done this in front of the Entire eMusic site as opposed to the targeting the select few who use 17Dots, in order to sneak it by the site&#8217;s majority; however if you look at my post count (Nergal MiDoJo) you&#8217;ll easily figure out that, yes, I well am aware of that thread and I&#8217;ve even made it clear that I feel if people ARE going to complain about all the stuff going on that they stick to that thread, or better yet use the eMusic Message boards.<br />
I&#8217;ve also said that I&#8217;m not trying to stifle anyone else&#8217;s voice but that I am just using mine to say that I&#8217;d rather people not fuck up what&#8217;s been a great community for me, where I&#8217;ve found interesting people of many different thoughts on music.</p>
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		<title>By: CLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nergal - Your comments regarding the EDITORIAL nature of this blog would make more sense if Danny Stein hadn&#039;t selected this forum for a blog post on the new eMusic structure.  Scroll down and read it.  This is a very appropriate site for users to vent their frustrations, particularly in light of the fact that blog authors are using it to pimp the &#039;benefits&#039; of the changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nergal &#8211; Your comments regarding the EDITORIAL nature of this blog would make more sense if Danny Stein hadn&#8217;t selected this forum for a blog post on the new eMusic structure.  Scroll down and read it.  This is a very appropriate site for users to vent their frustrations, particularly in light of the fact that blog authors are using it to pimp the &#8216;benefits&#8217; of the changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Del Boy</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-107216</link>
		<dc:creator>Del Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about letting the rest of the world download these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about letting the rest of the world download these.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2009/07/01/six-degrees-and-icons-on-emusic/comment-page-1/#comment-107092</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nergal, when are you going to have that surgery to remove your lips from Danny Stein&#039;s backside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nergal, when are you going to have that surgery to remove your lips from Danny Stein&#8217;s backside?</p>
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