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	<title>Comments on: down with nme</title>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27946</link>
		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guys in the US office get Plan B sent over Andy - they&#039;re very good at staying on top of things. A couple of Plan B-ers write for eMu too - and I contribute to Plan B very infrequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys in the US office get Plan B sent over Andy &#8211; they&#8217;re very good at staying on top of things. A couple of Plan B-ers write for eMu too &#8211; and I contribute to Plan B very infrequently.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27943</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if yr after an emusic friendly uk mag then go for Plan B, it&#039;s a perfect fit staffed mainly by the guys who used to write for NME &amp; Melody Maker when they were decent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if yr after an emusic friendly uk mag then go for Plan B, it&#8217;s a perfect fit staffed mainly by the guys who used to write for NME &amp; Melody Maker when they were decent</p>
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		<title>By: yancey</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27696</link>
		<dc:creator>yancey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m actually not 100% dissing nme though! i kinda meant the title of this post to be &quot;i&#039;m down with the nme,&quot; too. i sympathize at least: trying to manufacture shit that will matter to people is not easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m actually not 100% dissing nme though! i kinda meant the title of this post to be &#8220;i&#8217;m down with the nme,&#8221; too. i sympathize at least: trying to manufacture shit that will matter to people is not easy.</p>
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		<title>By: ptolemyclark</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27693</link>
		<dc:creator>ptolemyclark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mind immediately jumps to Scroobius Pip vs Dan le Sac&#039;s &quot;Thou Shalt Always Kill&quot; (which showed up on Emu a few weeks back) in which he decrees: &quot;Thou shalt not read NME&quot; moments before saying &quot;Thou shalt not stop liking a band just because they have become popular.&quot;  (He kinda nails me there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mind immediately jumps to Scroobius Pip vs Dan le Sac&#8217;s &#8220;Thou Shalt Always Kill&#8221; (which showed up on Emu a few weeks back) in which he decrees: &#8220;Thou shalt not read NME&#8221; moments before saying &#8220;Thou shalt not stop liking a band just because they have become popular.&#8221;  (He kinda nails me there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Adamm</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27692</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I love reading about music, if the writing is good, although I generally enjoy a story much more than a review. I love the period of time between when I read about something and actually hear it, because in that period of time I imagine it and hear it in my head.

I also don&#039;t have your job or live in [insert big city with cool music scene] so reading and imagining is often the best I can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I love reading about music, if the writing is good, although I generally enjoy a story much more than a review. I love the period of time between when I read about something and actually hear it, because in that period of time I imagine it and hear it in my head.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t have your job or live in [insert big city with cool music scene] so reading and imagining is often the best I can get.</p>
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		<title>By: yancey</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27690</link>
		<dc:creator>yancey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adamm you are totally right in mentioning Fader. I find out about so much new music from the magazine and the blog. They are so on top of stuff it&#039;s funny sometimes; they did a huge feature on a NYC band called Amazing Baby (they are so-so) recently after their second or third show. Ever. So yeah, take those things with a grain of salt, but they get it right more often than most.

Here&#039;s the honest truth for me: I hate reading about music. I find so much of it exhausting, and having little relation to what I like about music or music itself. Instead I rely on friends, going to shows and my own ears, primarily. Certainly I check Fader and Pitchfork and NME, but by and large I try to figure out stuff for myself as best I can. I realize I am fortunate in that my job kind of entails that, but it really is hard to find outlets/opinions you can trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adamm you are totally right in mentioning Fader. I find out about so much new music from the magazine and the blog. They are so on top of stuff it&#8217;s funny sometimes; they did a huge feature on a NYC band called Amazing Baby (they are so-so) recently after their second or third show. Ever. So yeah, take those things with a grain of salt, but they get it right more often than most.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the honest truth for me: I hate reading about music. I find so much of it exhausting, and having little relation to what I like about music or music itself. Instead I rely on friends, going to shows and my own ears, primarily. Certainly I check Fader and Pitchfork and NME, but by and large I try to figure out stuff for myself as best I can. I realize I am fortunate in that my job kind of entails that, but it really is hard to find outlets/opinions you can trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamm</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27689</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stateside I used to love Spin from say 92-99. I discovered so many great things in Spin, but definitely not so much anymore. Like Gekko I&#039;ve never been sure if it changed or I outgrew it; probably some of each, but there was a very noticeable shift when Bob Guccione Jr. left as editor.

The only music magazine that I love now is The Wire, but it&#039;s prohibitively expensive here so I usually only get the year end episode, and browse through everytime I&#039;m in a bookstore. 

I recently subsrcibed to Fader and it&#039;s pretty good; lots of variety, and I like that they give you hip-hop/reggae and indie stuff. The last one had a great article/intierview with High Places.

Other than that I have my three blog/websites: 17dots, Pitchfork and Tiny Mix Tapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stateside I used to love Spin from say 92-99. I discovered so many great things in Spin, but definitely not so much anymore. Like Gekko I&#8217;ve never been sure if it changed or I outgrew it; probably some of each, but there was a very noticeable shift when Bob Guccione Jr. left as editor.</p>
<p>The only music magazine that I love now is The Wire, but it&#8217;s prohibitively expensive here so I usually only get the year end episode, and browse through everytime I&#8217;m in a bookstore. </p>
<p>I recently subsrcibed to Fader and it&#8217;s pretty good; lots of variety, and I like that they give you hip-hop/reggae and indie stuff. The last one had a great article/intierview with High Places.</p>
<p>Other than that I have my three blog/websites: 17dots, Pitchfork and Tiny Mix Tapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gekko</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27681</link>
		<dc:creator>Gekko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Brit who grew up on a diet of NME and Melody Maker and used to scrutinise each issue for up and coming bands. This was in the late 80s, early 90s, pre-Brit Pop era. These magazines were my bibles alongside the Teletext music reviews on indie/alternative day, The Chart Show on the weeks when it was the indie chart and my local independent record store.

I have to say that I agree with this article pretty much; NME has gone to the dogs. If you want to find out about decent, non-commerical music this isn&#039;t the place to go. To be honest I&#039;m not sure what things are like Stateside but in the UK there really aren&#039;t many decent indie mags anymore. There&#039;s Clash magazine, which I read quite a bit but there&#039;s too much fashion in there for my liking. Nowadays I find out about new bands through Hype Machine blogs and eMusic.

I guess I&#039;m no longer the target market for NME though, being in my 30s so maybe it&#039;s just me but I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Brit who grew up on a diet of NME and Melody Maker and used to scrutinise each issue for up and coming bands. This was in the late 80s, early 90s, pre-Brit Pop era. These magazines were my bibles alongside the Teletext music reviews on indie/alternative day, The Chart Show on the weeks when it was the indie chart and my local independent record store.</p>
<p>I have to say that I agree with this article pretty much; NME has gone to the dogs. If you want to find out about decent, non-commerical music this isn&#8217;t the place to go. To be honest I&#8217;m not sure what things are like Stateside but in the UK there really aren&#8217;t many decent indie mags anymore. There&#8217;s Clash magazine, which I read quite a bit but there&#8217;s too much fashion in there for my liking. Nowadays I find out about new bands through Hype Machine blogs and eMusic.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m no longer the target market for NME though, being in my 30s so maybe it&#8217;s just me but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27650</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly, Telepathe are kind of shit live, but if you actually listen to their recorded stuff, it&#039;s pretty damn good.  It&#039;s just a shame they aren&#039;t better live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, Telepathe are kind of shit live, but if you actually listen to their recorded stuff, it&#8217;s pretty damn good.  It&#8217;s just a shame they aren&#8217;t better live.</p>
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		<title>By: yancey</title>
		<link>http://17dots.com/2008/09/25/down-with-nme/comment-page-1/#comment-27617</link>
		<dc:creator>yancey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough, I really like ARE Weapons! But agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough, I really like ARE Weapons! But agreed.</p>
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