Comments on: making a list, chkng it twice http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/ notes from the digital underground Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:55:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Patrina Buzzeo http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-130633 Patrina Buzzeo Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:02:42 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-130633 Thanks for this great write up. I absolutely liked every little bit of it. I have you bookmarked and will be reading more. Thanks for this great write up. I absolutely liked every little bit of it. I have you bookmarked and will be reading more.

]]> By: Punker http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10774 Punker Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:50:11 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10774 If I see Animal Collective or Panda Bear in anybody's 2007 favorites list, I automatically dismiss the entire list. I think those albums were utter crap for musichead posers. If I see Animal Collective or Panda Bear in anybody’s 2007 favorites list, I automatically dismiss the entire list. I think those albums were utter crap for musichead posers.

]]> By: hoboghost http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10773 hoboghost Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:40:19 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10773 to make up for showing up on only one measly list: Dr. Dog Dr. Dog Dr. Dog Dr. Dog Dr. Dog to make up for showing up on only one measly list:

Dr. Dog
Dr. Dog
Dr. Dog
Dr. Dog
Dr. Dog

]]> By: Rich http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10772 Rich Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:39 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10772 My Favorites... 1. Boxer - The National 2. Person Pitch - Panda Bear 3. In Rainbows - Radiohead 4. Friend and Foe - Menomena 5. All Hour Cymbals - Yeasayer 6. The Reminder - Feist 7. Hissing Fauna Are you the Destroyer? - Of Montreal 8. Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga - Spoon 9. God Save the Clientele - The Clientele 10. Cryptograms - Deerhunter 11. You Follow Me - Nina Nastasia & Jim White 12. Armchair Apocrypha - Andrew Bird 13. Night Falls Over Kortedala - Jens Lekman 14. Neon Bible - Arcade Fire 15. Andorra - Caribou 16. Fort Nightly - White Rabbits 17. Miss Diamond to You - Kathy Diamond 18. The Stage Names - Okkervil River 19. Fourteen Autumns Fifteen Winters - The Twilight Sad 20. Are the Dark Horse - The Besnard Lakes 21. ASA Breed - Matthew Dear 22. Full Bloom - Soft Circle 23. Sky Blue Sky - Wilco 24. Strawberry Jam - Animal Collective 25. Random Spirit Lover - Sunset Rubdown 26. The Flying Club Cup - Beirut 27. Scribble Mural Comic Journal - A Sunny Day in Glasgow 28. Untrue - Burial 29. On the Wing Now - Foreign Born 30. There's No Home - Jana Hunter 31. Mirrored - Battles 32. Icky Thump - The White Stripes 33. We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank - Modest Mouse 34. Raven and the White Night - Odawas 35. We Are Him - Angels of Light 36. Marry Me - St. Vincent 37. S/T - The Good, the Bad & the Queen 38. Songs III: Bird On the Water - Marissa Nadler 39. Wild Mountain Nation - Blitzen Trapper 40. Ears Will Pop & Eyes Will Blink - Bodies Of Water My Favorites…

1. Boxer – The National
2. Person Pitch – Panda Bear
3. In Rainbows – Radiohead
4. Friend and Foe – Menomena
5. All Hour Cymbals – Yeasayer
6. The Reminder – Feist
7. Hissing Fauna Are you the Destroyer? – Of Montreal
8. Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga – Spoon
9. God Save the Clientele – The Clientele
10. Cryptograms – Deerhunter
11. You Follow Me – Nina Nastasia & Jim White
12. Armchair Apocrypha – Andrew Bird
13. Night Falls Over Kortedala – Jens Lekman
14. Neon Bible – Arcade Fire
15. Andorra – Caribou
16. Fort Nightly – White Rabbits
17. Miss Diamond to You – Kathy Diamond
18. The Stage Names – Okkervil River
19. Fourteen Autumns Fifteen Winters – The Twilight Sad
20. Are the Dark Horse – The Besnard Lakes
21. ASA Breed – Matthew Dear
22. Full Bloom – Soft Circle
23. Sky Blue Sky – Wilco
24. Strawberry Jam – Animal Collective
25. Random Spirit Lover – Sunset Rubdown
26. The Flying Club Cup – Beirut
27. Scribble Mural Comic Journal – A Sunny Day in Glasgow
28. Untrue – Burial
29. On the Wing Now – Foreign Born
30. There’s No Home – Jana Hunter
31. Mirrored – Battles
32. Icky Thump – The White Stripes
33. We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank – Modest Mouse
34. Raven and the White Night – Odawas
35. We Are Him – Angels of Light
36. Marry Me – St. Vincent
37. S/T – The Good, the Bad & the Queen
38. Songs III: Bird On the Water – Marissa Nadler
39. Wild Mountain Nation – Blitzen Trapper
40. Ears Will Pop & Eyes Will Blink – Bodies Of Water

]]> By: joe http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10771 joe Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:14:32 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10771 More writer lists! <b>Jack Rabid</b>, (<i>The Big Takeover</i>) sloan, <i>never hear the end of it</i> the long blondes, <i>someone to drive you home</i> new model army, <i>high</i> new pornographers, <i>challengers</i> the shins, <i>wincing the night away</i> maximo park, <i>our earthly pleasures</i> emma pollock, <i>watch the fireworks</i> idlewild, <i>make another world</i> the effigies, <i>reside</i> rogue wave, <i>asleep at heaven's gate</i> blonde redhead, <i>23</i> voxtrot, <i>voxtrot</i> bad religion, <i>new maps of hell</i> radiohead, <i>in rainbows</i> amy winehouse, <i>back to black</i> john doe, <i>a year in the wilderness</i> fields, <i>everything last winter</i> ed kuepper & the kowalski collective, <i>jean lee and the yellow dog</i> great northern, <i>trading twilight for daylight</i> feist, <i>the reminder</i> More writer lists!

Jack Rabid, (The Big Takeover)
sloan, never hear the end of it
the long blondes, someone to drive you home
new model army, high
new pornographers, challengers
the shins, wincing the night away
maximo park, our earthly pleasures
emma pollock, watch the fireworks
idlewild, make another world
the effigies, reside
rogue wave, asleep at heaven’s gate
blonde redhead, 23
voxtrot, voxtrot
bad religion, new maps of hell
radiohead, in rainbows
amy winehouse, back to black
john doe, a year in the wilderness
fields, everything last winter
ed kuepper & the kowalski collective, jean lee and the yellow dog
great northern, trading twilight for daylight
feist, the reminder

]]> By: BB http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10770 BB Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:11:01 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10770 Roughly ordered from best to less-best, but I really don't like putting numbers next to albums: Iron & Wine - The Shepherd's Dog Chris Bathgate - A Cork Tale Wake The Great Northern - Trading Twilight for Daylight Beirut - The Flying Cup Club Basia Bulat - Oh My Darling Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga Field Music - Tone of Town Mice Parade - Mice Parade The Earlies - The Enemy Chorus The Shins - Wincing the Night Away Tunng - Good Arrows The Six Parts Seven - Casually Smashed to Pieces Future Clouds and Radar - S/T Rosie Thomas - These Friends of Mine Small Sails - Similar Anniversaries Ellis Island Sound - The Good Seed Helios - Ayres Alaska in Winter - Dance Party In The Balkans Eluvium - Copia Grails - Burning Off Impurities Rocky Votolato - The Brag and Cuss Yndi Halda - Enjoy Eternal Bliss Apparat - Walls Panda Bear - Person Pitch Explosions In The Sky - All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone Roughly ordered from best to less-best, but I really don’t like putting numbers next to albums:

Iron & Wine – The Shepherd’s Dog
Chris Bathgate – A Cork Tale Wake
The Great Northern – Trading Twilight for Daylight
Beirut – The Flying Cup Club
Basia Bulat – Oh My Darling
Spoon – Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
Field Music – Tone of Town
Mice Parade – Mice Parade
The Earlies – The Enemy Chorus
The Shins – Wincing the Night Away
Tunng – Good Arrows
The Six Parts Seven – Casually Smashed to Pieces
Future Clouds and Radar – S/T
Rosie Thomas – These Friends of Mine
Small Sails – Similar Anniversaries
Ellis Island Sound – The Good Seed
Helios – Ayres
Alaska in Winter – Dance Party In The Balkans
Eluvium – Copia
Grails – Burning Off Impurities
Rocky Votolato – The Brag and Cuss
Yndi Halda – Enjoy Eternal Bliss
Apparat – Walls
Panda Bear – Person Pitch
Explosions In The Sky – All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone

]]> By: joe http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10769 joe Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:55 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10769 More writer lists... <b>Johnny Black</b> (<i>MOJO</i>) To My Boy, <i>Messages</i> Laura Veirs, <i>Saltbreakers</i> Straylight Run, <i>The Needles, The Space</i> Field Music, <i>Tones Of Town</i> Chuck Prophet, <i>Soap And Water</i> Fall Out Boy, <i>Infinity On High</i> The Research, <i>Breaking Up</i> Maria Taylor, <i>Lynn Teeter Flower</i> LCD Soundsystem, <i>Sound Of Silver</i> Wilco, <i>Sky Blue Sky</i> The Color Fred, <i>Bend To Break</i> Devon Sproule, <i>Keep Yur Silver Shined</i> The Shins, <I>Wincing The Night Away</i> Efterklang, <i>Under Giant Trees</i> Bright Eyes, <i>Cassadega</i> Cornelius, <i>Sensuous</i> NickHarper, <i>Miracles For Beginners</i> Blue States, <i>First Steps Into</i> Kate Walsh, <i>Tim's House</i> Marah, <i>Angels Of Destruction</i> <b>Chris Weingarten</b>, (<i>Paper Thin Walls</i>) 1. Battles - Mirrored 2. Against Me! – New Wave 3. The Mae Shi – HLLLYH 4. Of Montreal – Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? 5. UGK – Undergroud Kingz 6. Big Business – Here Comes The Waterworks 7. Gowns – Red State 8. Hyphy Hits 9. The Field – From Here We Go Sublime 10. Zs – Arms 11. Dillinger Escape Plan – Ire Works 12. Jay-Z – American Gangster 13. Patton Oswalt – Werewolves And Lollipops 14. Hallelujah The Hills – Collective Psychosis Begone 15. Fog – Ditherer 16. Wold – Screech Owl 17. Devin The Dude – Waitin’ To Inhale 18. LCD Soundsystem – Sound Of Silver 19. Baroness – The Red Album 20. Kanye West – Graduation <b>Simon Reynolds</b>, (Author <i>Generation Ecstasy</i>, <i>Rip It Up & Start Again</i>) 1/ Black Moth Super Rainbow, Dandelion Gum (Graveface) 2/ The Good, the Bad and the Queen --The Good the Bad and the Queen (Honest Jon’s/Parlophone) 3/ Panda Bear, Person Pitch (Paw Tracks) 4/ Robert Wyatt, Comicopera (Domino) 5/ Burial, Untrue (Hyperdub) 6/ Sally Shapiro, Disco Romance (Paperbag) 7/ Neil Landstrumm, Restaurant of the Assassins (Planet Mu) 8/ Battles, Mirrored (Warp) 9/ The Focus Group, We Are All Pan’s People (Ghost Box) 10/ Pinch, Underwater Dancehall (Tectonic) <b>REISSUES</b> 1/ Daphne Oram, Oramics (Paradigm) 2/ Young Marble Giants, Colossal Youth (Domino) 3/ Nico, The Frozen Borderline: 1968-1970 (Rhino) 4/ Harmonia, Harmonia Live 1974 (Crowland) 5/ Sun Ra, Disco 3000 (Art Yard) 6/ Dinosaur L, 24/24 Music (Sleeping Bag) 7/ Black Dog -- The Book of Dogma (Soma) 8/ Various, Now We Are Ten (Trunk) 9/ White Noise, An Electric Storm (Island) 10/ Betty Davis, Betty Davis (Lights in the Attic) More writer lists…

Johnny Black (MOJO)
To My Boy, Messages
Laura Veirs, Saltbreakers
Straylight Run, The Needles, The Space
Field Music, Tones Of Town
Chuck Prophet, Soap And Water
Fall Out Boy, Infinity On High
The Research, Breaking Up
Maria Taylor, Lynn Teeter Flower
LCD Soundsystem, Sound Of Silver
Wilco, Sky Blue Sky
The Color Fred, Bend To Break
Devon Sproule, Keep Yur Silver Shined
The Shins, Wincing The Night Away
Efterklang, Under Giant Trees
Bright Eyes, Cassadega
Cornelius, Sensuous
NickHarper, Miracles For Beginners
Blue States, First Steps Into
Kate Walsh, Tim’s House
Marah, Angels Of Destruction

Chris Weingarten, (Paper Thin Walls)
1. Battles – Mirrored
2. Against Me! – New Wave
3. The Mae Shi – HLLLYH
4. Of Montreal – Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?
5. UGK – Undergroud Kingz
6. Big Business – Here Comes The Waterworks
7. Gowns – Red State
8. Hyphy Hits
9. The Field – From Here We Go Sublime
10. Zs – Arms
11. Dillinger Escape Plan – Ire Works
12. Jay-Z – American Gangster
13. Patton Oswalt – Werewolves And Lollipops
14. Hallelujah The Hills – Collective Psychosis Begone
15. Fog – Ditherer
16. Wold – Screech Owl
17. Devin The Dude – Waitin’ To Inhale
18. LCD Soundsystem – Sound Of Silver
19. Baroness – The Red Album
20. Kanye West – Graduation

Simon Reynolds, (Author Generation Ecstasy, Rip It Up & Start Again)
1/ Black Moth Super Rainbow, Dandelion Gum (Graveface)
2/ The Good, the Bad and the Queen –The Good the Bad and the Queen (Honest Jon’s/Parlophone)
3/ Panda Bear, Person Pitch (Paw Tracks)
4/ Robert Wyatt, Comicopera (Domino)
5/ Burial, Untrue (Hyperdub)
6/ Sally Shapiro, Disco Romance (Paperbag)
7/ Neil Landstrumm, Restaurant of the Assassins (Planet Mu)
8/ Battles, Mirrored (Warp)
9/ The Focus Group, We Are All Pan’s People (Ghost Box)
10/ Pinch, Underwater Dancehall (Tectonic)

REISSUES
1/ Daphne Oram, Oramics (Paradigm)
2/ Young Marble Giants, Colossal Youth (Domino)
3/ Nico, The Frozen Borderline: 1968-1970 (Rhino)
4/ Harmonia, Harmonia Live 1974 (Crowland)
5/ Sun Ra, Disco 3000 (Art Yard)
6/ Dinosaur L, 24/24 Music (Sleeping Bag)
7/ Black Dog — The Book of Dogma (Soma)
8/ Various, Now We Are Ten (Trunk)
9/ White Noise, An Electric Storm (Island)
10/ Betty Davis, Betty Davis (Lights in the Attic)

]]> By: BillyGoatBlue http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10768 BillyGoatBlue Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:51 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10768 In no particular order, discs I've been loving this year: Patrick Wolf Menomena Pissed Jeans The Good, the Bad and the Queen Yeasayer Tinariwen Efterklang Phosphorescent Dan Deacon Panda Bear Okkervil River Blitzen Trapper The Bowerbirds Pharoahe Monch very good year for me In no particular order, discs I’ve been loving this year:

Patrick Wolf
Menomena
Pissed Jeans
The Good, the Bad and the Queen
Yeasayer
Tinariwen
Efterklang
Phosphorescent
Dan Deacon
Panda Bear
Okkervil River
Blitzen Trapper
The Bowerbirds
Pharoahe Monch

very good year for me

]]> By: Andri http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10767 Andri Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:47:02 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10767 In particular order: Blonde Redhead - 23 Andrew Bird - Armchair Apocrypha Black Kids - Wizard of Ahhhs Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna Are You the Destroyer MGMT - Oracular Spectacular Ps. Nice pic of Bessastaðir, I think I can see Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson in one of the windows. :p In particular order:

Blonde Redhead – 23
Andrew Bird – Armchair Apocrypha
Black Kids – Wizard of Ahhhs
Of Montreal – Hissing Fauna Are You the Destroyer
MGMT – Oracular Spectacular

Ps. Nice pic of Bessastaðir, I think I can see Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson in one of the windows.
:p

]]> By: porieux http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-10766 porieux Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:04:31 +0000 http://17dots.com/2007/12/07/making-a-list-chkng-it-twice/#comment-10766 My top picks of 2007, alphabetical by artist: 4 Corners-4 Corners None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock The Antisocial Club-Alan Pasqua Foley Room-Amon Tobin 9 Compositions (Iridium) 2006-Anthony Braxton Turn My Teeth Up!-Baby Elephant Turn My Teeth Up! - The Mental-Instroz-Baby Elephant Nu Med-Balkan Beat Box Mago-Billy Martin, John Medeski Black Devil Disco Club In Dub-Black Devil Disco Club Glyphic-Boxcutter Xenosapien-Cephalic Carnage Altitude with special guest John Medeski-Charlie Hunter and Bobby Previte as Groundtruther Follow The Red Line - Live At The Village Vanguard-Chris Potter Song For Anyone-Chris Potter 23 Seconds-Cobblestone Jazz Hair Guitar-Copy Abandoned Language-Dalek Sacred Ground (feat. Cassandra Wilson)-David Murray Black Saint Quartet Presents: Ziltoid the Omniscient-Devin Townsend The Release Party-Dilated Peoples Sound Catcher-DJ Vadim Mother of Illusion EP-Dust Galaxy I'll Sleep When You're Dead-El-P From the River to the Ocean-Fred Anderson & Hamid Drake The Sun-Fridge Orchestre National de Jazz Luxembourg feat. George Duke and Didier Lockwood-Gast Waltzing, George Duke, Didier Lockwood Funk On Fire-Hightower Moog Acid-Jean Jaques Perrey and Luke Vibert Tenorist-Jerry Bergonzi Romances-Kaada/Patton AHO: Tuba Concerto / Contrabassoon Concerto-Lew Lipnick Chicago, Detroit, Redruth-Luke Vibert Kala-M.I.A. (XL) Beat Konducta Vol. 3 & 4: In India-Madlib Inamorata-Method Of Defiance The Hunt for the Gingerbread Man-MF GRIMM Pilgrimage-Michael Brecker The Last Sucker-Ministry Live at The Kennedy Center Volume Two-Mulgrew Miller Draw Breath-Nels Cline Singers Fantastic Playroom-New Young Pony Club The Roundhouse Tapes-Opeth Oslo/Chicago: Breaks-Powerhouse Sound Zephyros-Satoko Fujii Quartet Rolling Steady: The 1983 Music Mountain Sessions-Skatalites Mythmaker-Skinny Puppy West Coast-Studio The Gang Font feat. Interloper-The Gang Font feat. Interloper Tropidelico-The Quantic Soul Orchestra Gothic Kabbalah-Therion Anonymous-Tomahawk Two Bands And A Legend - Feat. Cato Salsa Experience And The Thing With Joe Mcphee-Two Bands And A Legend Wrong Meeting-Two Lone Swordsmen Wrong Meeting 2-Two Lone Swordsmen My Downfall (Original Soundtrack)-Venetian Snares Pink Green-Venetian Snares Jazz-Wallace Roney Duntisbourne Abbots Soulmate Devastation Technique-µ-Ziq My top picks of 2007, alphabetical by artist:

4 Corners-4 Corners
None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock
The Antisocial Club-Alan Pasqua
Foley Room-Amon Tobin
9 Compositions (Iridium) 2006-Anthony Braxton
Turn My Teeth Up!-Baby Elephant
Turn My Teeth Up! – The Mental-Instroz-Baby Elephant
Nu Med-Balkan Beat Box
Mago-Billy Martin, John Medeski
Black Devil Disco Club In Dub-Black Devil Disco Club
Glyphic-Boxcutter
Xenosapien-Cephalic Carnage
Altitude with special guest John Medeski-Charlie Hunter and Bobby Previte as Groundtruther
Follow The Red Line – Live At The Village Vanguard-Chris Potter
Song For Anyone-Chris Potter
23 Seconds-Cobblestone Jazz
Hair Guitar-Copy
Abandoned Language-Dalek
Sacred Ground (feat. Cassandra Wilson)-David Murray Black Saint Quartet
Presents: Ziltoid the Omniscient-Devin Townsend
The Release Party-Dilated Peoples
Sound Catcher-DJ Vadim
Mother of Illusion EP-Dust Galaxy
I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead-El-P
From the River to the Ocean-Fred Anderson & Hamid Drake
The Sun-Fridge
Orchestre National de Jazz Luxembourg feat. George Duke and Didier Lockwood-Gast Waltzing, George Duke, Didier Lockwood
Funk On Fire-Hightower
Moog Acid-Jean Jaques Perrey and Luke Vibert
Tenorist-Jerry Bergonzi
Romances-Kaada/Patton
AHO: Tuba Concerto / Contrabassoon Concerto-Lew Lipnick
Chicago, Detroit, Redruth-Luke Vibert
Kala-M.I.A. (XL)
Beat Konducta Vol. 3 & 4: In India-Madlib
Inamorata-Method Of Defiance
The Hunt for the Gingerbread Man-MF GRIMM
Pilgrimage-Michael Brecker
The Last Sucker-Ministry
Live at The Kennedy Center Volume Two-Mulgrew Miller
Draw Breath-Nels Cline Singers
Fantastic Playroom-New Young Pony Club
The Roundhouse Tapes-Opeth
Oslo/Chicago: Breaks-Powerhouse Sound
Zephyros-Satoko Fujii Quartet
Rolling Steady: The 1983 Music Mountain Sessions-Skatalites
Mythmaker-Skinny Puppy
West Coast-Studio
The Gang Font feat. Interloper-The Gang Font feat. Interloper
Tropidelico-The Quantic Soul Orchestra
Gothic Kabbalah-Therion
Anonymous-Tomahawk
Two Bands And A Legend – Feat. Cato Salsa Experience And The Thing With Joe Mcphee-Two Bands And A Legend
Wrong Meeting-Two Lone Swordsmen
Wrong Meeting 2-Two Lone Swordsmen
My Downfall (Original Soundtrack)-Venetian Snares
Pink Green-Venetian Snares
Jazz-Wallace Roney
Duntisbourne Abbots Soulmate Devastation Technique-µ-Ziq

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